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Who better to give you grand perspective about the ultra-blue, heavenly waters of Hawaii – than three people living in the midwest?
Well, when it comes to the vista? Perhaps not, but when we’re talking about dissecting what you see when it comes to storytelling, real-life crime-based content (in this case, Crisis Negotiation) and why what you see on TV/in Movies or via Streaming isn’t always “the way it is in real life – WhatCopsWatch.Com has you covered with this episode!
The Crisis Cop (and Crisis Negotiator Trainer) Lt. Pat Doering, Iowa State Police Sgt. and Crisis Negotiator Michael Clyde and OG Podcaster and Crisis Negotiator Role Player Mike Wilkerson give you some of the greatest ligh bulb moments that reaction content has to offer!
Are YOU ready to learn more about the entertainment you take in when it comes to effective policing? Ready to learn more about the HUMANS behind the duty belt and badge?
It’s time for a Perspective Review of Hawaii Five-O, Season 8, Episode 13 – “What is Gone is GOne” via WhatCopsWatch on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.
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Timestamps for This Episode:
06:15 Starting WhatCopsWatch with Mystic River Episode
13:24 Explaining perpetual advertising benefits
18:51 Focus on listening during negotiations
26:17 Negotiator and Steve’s territorial clash
28:32 Involving mental health professionals in negotiations
36:46 Lessons learned from crisis negotiation
38:20 Talking to people in crisis situations
47:28 Technology changing tactical operations
52:00 Command decisions in hostage scenarios
55:27 Discussing mental health support options
59:32 Brad’s struggles and proving his innocence
01:06:52 Using an odd question to reset negotiations
01:11:14 Lou’s Support Group in Chicago
01:16:59 Importance of mutual understanding in teams
01:24:49 TV format shift and internet’s role
01:26:28 Finding personal insights in reviews
01:31:45 Requesting feedback on WhatCopsWatch.com
Questions from This Episode:
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- *How does the portrayal of crisis negotiation in this episode of Hawaii 5-0 compare to real-life practices, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? Where does Hollywood get it right or wrong? (, )
- What are the risks and consequences of showing law enforcement officers making unsafe choices during negotiations, such as approaching a vehicle barricade too closely, as discussed in the episode? (, )
- Reflect on the depiction of trauma and mental health among officers in the episode. How did the show use Lou’s backstory to highlight these issues, and how did Pat Doering and Michael Clyde react to it? (, )
- What are the challenges negotiators face when outcomes are not successful? How do Pat Doering and Michael Clyde emphasize dealing with “losing cases”? (, )
- Discuss the role and importance of teamwork between negotiators and tactical teams. What strategies do Michael Clyde and Pat Doering recommend for building better collaboration? (, )
- How does the rapid resolution of cases and evidence processing in television (the “CSI effect”) affect public expectations of policing, as mentioned by the hosts? (, )
- In the episode, mental health for both suspects and officers plays a key role. How should police respond to or support officers dealing with trauma? What resources were discussed as helpful? ()
- What commentary do the hosts provide on the pissing matches (power struggles) frequently depicted between negotiators and SWAT or tactical leaders in Hollywood? How accurate is this, and what do real teams do instead? (, )
- After a negotiation ends, what does “good closure” look like for both the subject and the team, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? How does this differ from the abrupt TV ending? ()
- What did Mike Wilkerson, Pat Doering, and Michael Clyde identify as both the “goods” and “bads” in this episode’s depiction of crisis negotiation? Which points resonated most with you and why? (, )
Links from this Episode:
- Crisis Cop Podcast & Related Sites:
- Crisis Cop Podcast: https://crisiscop.com
- Crisis Cop Podcast Library: https://crisiscoppodcast.com
- Role Player & Crisis Negotiation Training:
- Blue Baggers Project – Professional role players for crisis negotiation training: https://bluebaggersproject.com
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Episode Details
- TV Show: Hawaii Five-0
- Episode Discussed: Season 8, Episode 13, “What is Gone is Gone”
- Original Air Date: January 2018
- Streaming Link: Paramount+ Hawaii Five-0
- Official Episode Info: IMDb – Hawaii Five-0 S8E13
Guest & Host Info
- Michael Clyde:
Sergeant, Iowa State Patrol/Crisis Negotiator
LinkedIn Profile - Pat Doering:
Founder, The Crisis Cop Podcast
Crisiscop.com – Crisis negotiation resources, podcast, training info - Mike Wilkerson:
Host, WhatCopsWatch.com
WhatCopsWatch.com – Full show archive, contact form
Highlighted Topics & External Resources
- Crisis Negotiation
- 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline
- 988lifeline.org
- Call or Text: 988 (US Only)
- Role-Playing for Negotiator Training
- BlueBaggersProject.com – Role-player resources for law enforcement crisis negotiators
Referenced Shows & Episodes
- Referenced Past Episodes
- Criminal Minds S1E5 – Our Perspective Review with Dr. Morgan Krumeich!
- WhatCopsWatch – Mystic River Episode (insert actual link to show archive)
- Related Shows
Further Reading & Learning
- Books on Crisis Negotiation:
- “Stalling for Time: My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator” by Gary Noesner (Amazon link)
- Suicide Prevention & Mental Health
Production & Sponsors
- 2GuysTalking – Podcast production and perpetual advertising
- EditorCore.com – Podcast editing services
- VoiceFarmers.com – Voiceover services
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Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode:
— What do YOU think of storytelling that we are given nowadays inside of what Hollywood shovels to us? Tell us now!
— What did YOU think of the long-running television series, Hawaii Five-O? Tell us now!
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The Hosts of this Program:
Michael Clyde
Throughout his career, Sgt. MIchael Clyde has been deeply committed to advancing the field of crisis negotiation, both within Iowa and across the United States. He currently serves as the coordinator for the Iowa State Patrol’s four Crisis Negotiation Teams and shares his expertise as an instructor with Crisis Systems Management.
A sought-after presenter, he has delivered training and presentations at conferences nationwide, with a particular focus on the unique challenges of “Rural and Roadside Standoffs.” He also serves as President of the Iowa Association of Crisis Negotiators, where he sits on the organization’s Board of Directors and helps guide the profession through leadership, training development, and collaboration.
Passionate about the lifesaving impact of negotiation, he is dedicated to ensuring negotiators receive the highest quality training and preparation necessary to meet the evolving demands of crisis situations. Through his instruction, leadership, and advocacy, he continues to promote excellence in the field of crisis negotiation.
Pat Doering
Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248), Pat continues to provide guidance, formal training, and leadership mentoring worldwide.
In 2024, Pat retired from his law enforcement career but remains dedicated to fostering the next generation of Crisis Negotiators. He conducts live, on-site training events and online workshops designed to sharpen the skills of those interested in crisis negotiation.
“My goal is to share the knowledge and experience I’ve gained throughout my career in high-stakes situations. My speeches will help you become a better communicator and listener. I am committed to teaching and training the future of crisis negotiations.”
— Pat Doering on Facebook
— Pat Doering on LinkedIn
— Pat Doering on Instagram
— Crisis Cop on the Web
— Crisis Cop on YouTube
Mike Wilkerson:
Mike Wilkerson Is the PodFather of St. Louis, and has been hosting, producing, concepting and enhancing podcasts since 2005. As a professional content creator, Mike has been making and documenting every mistake in the Podcasting industry so you won’t have to when you’re ready to begin. With thousands of of hours of business, marketing and life experience behind and in front of the mic and keyboard, he has created a vibrant and always-growing business tapestry via The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.
As a perpetual student, Mike continues to foster interests in Crisis Negotiator Training, Firearms Instruction and helping people to find the next step in their career with an active interest in hunting light bulb moments.
— Mike Wilkerson on Facebook
— Mike Wilkerson on LinkedIn
— Mike Wilkerson on X
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