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The word legacy is used a lot nowadays. However, our next guest is the capital Ellen legacy, especially in the world of hostages negotiations. Bob be spent over 50 years in law enforcement. He became a hostage negotiator in the early 80s and helped start the Metro Washington group in 1985. This group brought negotiators from DC, Maryland and Northern Virginia together to share expertise, knowledge and training. Bob is going to share his knowledge, expertise and stories in this episode of the Crisis Cop Podcast.
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Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast:
00:00 Virginia Law Enforcement Career Journey
06:00 “Learning Hostage Negotiation: An Influential Journey”
14:37 Crisis Negotiation Skill Development
19:51 Negotiation Misconception: The “LA Effect”
24:17 “Intelligence Gathering: The Initial Focus in Crisis Response”
26:44 “Tony’s Attempts to Reach Mom by Phone”
36:35 “Coping with Crisis Negotiation Stress”
41:20 Seven Corners Hostage Situation Unfolds
42:24 Successful Hostage Negotiation and Resource Coordination
51:33 Identifying and Motivating Committed Team Members
56:53 Police Recruitment and Retention Issues
01:01:57 Reviving Schlossberg-Boltz-Isendorfer Legacy
01:04:59 Appreciation and Encouragement for Professional Expertise
Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk:
- Legacy Building: Bob Beach spent over 50 years in law enforcement and helped start the Metro Washington group for hostage negotiators. What role does legacy play in shaping specialized units like crisis negotiation teams, and how can current negotiators build on that legacy?
- Path to Negotiation: Bob described being “bit by the hostage negotiator bug” after a career in patrol and K9. How do different paths within law enforcement contribute to a well-rounded negotiator, and what unique skills do those experiences bring?
- The Negotiation Triangle: Bob emphasized the importance of the “triangle” model—command, tactical, negotiation. Why is it crucial for these three components to work seamlessly together, and what goes wrong when they don’t, as seen in cases like Waco and Ruby Ridge?
- Peer-to-Peer Learning: The episode highlights how early negotiators shared information and strategies, even before modern communication tools existed. How does peer mentorship and collaboration continue to shape effective crisis negotiation training today?
- Dealing with Resistance: Bob encountered resistance from some departments about the negotiation process, viewing it as just a “delay tactic.” Why does this mindset exist, and what strategies can negotiation leaders use to overcome it?
- Emotional Toll: Bob openly discussed how 24/7 on-call responsibility and commitment to the job affected his personal life. How can law enforcement agencies better support negotiators to manage the emotional and relational toll of the job?
- The Importance of Debriefing: After critical incidents or mistakes, Bob’s teams conducted thorough debriefs to identify areas of improvement. What makes an effective debrief, and why is honest self-reflection essential for growth in crisis work?
- Selecting Negotiators: Bob shared insights into what he looked for when selecting new team members—such as prior preparation, crisis handling skills, and a passion for the work. How can these lessons inform the recruiting and training of the next generation of negotiators?
- Adapting to Technology: The episode touches on how negotiation has evolved—from phone calls to text-based negotiations. What challenges and opportunities does new technology create for crisis negotiators, and how should teams prepare for change?
- Maintaining the Standard: Bob hopes his legacy will be a commitment to the foundational negotiation model, even as technology evolves. How can agencies balance embracing innovation while preserving the core principles that make negotiation effective?
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– Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America
– Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation
– Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area
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The Host of this Program:
Pat Doering
Pat DoeringPat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248), Pat continues to provide guidance, formal training, and leadership mentoring worldwide.
In 2024, Pat retired from his law enforcement career but remains dedicated to fostering the next generation of Crisis Negotiators. He conducts live, on-site training events and online workshops designed to sharpen the skills of those interested in crisis negotiation.
“My goal is to share the knowledge and experience I’ve gained throughout my career in high-stakes situations. My speeches will help you become a better communicator and listener. I am committed to teaching and training the future of crisis negotiations.”
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The Guest Featured Inside this Program:
Bob Beach:
Bob Beach:Robert “Bob” Beach, a highly respected Crisis Negotiator from Virginia, has devoted more than 50 years to a distinguished career in law enforcement. His decades of service reflect an unwavering commitment to public safety, professionalism, and the belief that dialogue can save lives.
Throughout his career, Bob has become a trusted expert in crisis negotiation, known for his calm presence and ability to build rapport in the most tense and unpredictable situations. His work has helped peacefully resolve countless incidents, protecting both community members and fellow officers.
In addition to his field experience, Bob has shared his knowledge widely, training law enforcement teams across the country and mentoring new negotiators. His dedication to teaching and guiding others ensures that his legacy of empathy, communication, and service will continue to influence future generations.
The Producer of this Program:
Mike Wilkerson:
Mike Wilkerson:Mike Wilkerson Is the PodFather of St. Louis, and has been hosting, producing, concepting and enhancing podcasts since 2005. As a professional content creator, Mike has been making and documenting every mistake in the Podcasting industry so you won’t have to when you’re ready to begin. With thousands of of hours of business, marketing and life experience behind and in front of the mic and keyboard, he has created a vibrant and always-growing business tapestry via The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.
As a perpetual student, Mike continues to foster interests in Crisis Negotiator Training, Firearms Instruction and helping people to find the next step in their career with an active interest in hunting light bulb moments.
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