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It’s 1973. The location is Brooklyn, New York.
Four armed men are involved in a botched robbery at the John and Al Sporting goods store. What people don’t realize as this incident is the birthplace of hostage negotiation.
One of the architects and godfathers of this new concept is Dr. Harvey Slosberg.
In this episode, we’re going to explore his legacy and career via a visit with his wife, Dr. Toni Collarini Schlossberg – as we launch The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com…
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The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast:
Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there’s something else you’d like to see from this episode!
Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast:
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00:00 “Writing Police Training Grant for Mount Vernon”
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05:14 Spy Fears Block Class Attendance
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09:35 Chemistry Background Aids Psychologist’s Career Shift
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10:21 “Journey from Chemistry Major to Psychology Passion”
- 15:27 Harvey’s Far-Reaching Educational Influence
- 20:18 “Using Dialogue and Donuts in Policing”
- 21:43 “Enhancing Police Work Through Negotiation Skills”
- 27:02 “Avoid Using Mothers in Hostage Crises”
- 29:11 “Enhance Your Podcast with Perpetual Ads”
- 34:11 “Journey to Create Hostage Negotiation Documentary”
- 35:22 Shift in 1970s Police Culture
- 39:53 History’s Lessons: Law Enforcement’s Impact
- 43:16 Evolving Strategies in Police Negotiation Skills
- 48:28 Cultivating Negotiation Skills Through Diverse Experiences
- 52:10 Harvey’s Negotiation Focus: Save Lives Through Dialogue
- 55:00 Inspiring Police Recruits for Positive Legacy
- 56:35 “Life-Saving Focus: The Crisis Cop Podcast”
Questions Answers Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk:
- How did the botched robbery at John and Al Sporting Goods become a pivotal moment in the history of hostage negotiation?
- Discuss Dr. Toni Collarini Schlossberg’s recollection of her husband’s early career and how it influenced his approach to hostage negotiation.
- How did Dr. Harvey Schlossberg’s background as a beat cop enhance his credibility and effectiveness in developing hostage negotiation tactics?
- Reflect on the cultural and systemic changes in police training since the 1970s, particularly in incorporating psychological principles and negotiation strategies.
- How has the role and perception of female police negotiators evolved, and what barriers may still exist based on Dr. Toni’s insights?
- What were some of the challenges and benefits Dr. Toni experienced working in male-dominated environments like police departments and academia?
- Analyze the impact of Dr. Harvey Schlossberg on modern crisis negotiation, considering Dr. Toni’s commentary on his training methods and personal philosophy.
- What lessons from the past crises and responses discussed in the podcast can be applied to today’s sociopolitical climate in law enforcement?
- Discuss the role documentaries such as “Hold Your Fire” play in shaping public understanding and appreciation of law enforcement history and personalities.
- Dr. Toni speaks about Harvey’s emphasis on simple language in training – why is it important for instructors to communicate in accessible terms, especially in law enforcement contexts?
Links from this Episode:
— Get All of Pat’s Books via Amazon Now!
– Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America
– Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation
– Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area
- 2GuysTalking Podcast Network
- Link to the Network’s homepage to provide listeners with more background.
- 2GuysTalking Podcast Network
- Dr. Harvey Schlossberg’s Legacy
- A Wikipedia or biographical source about Dr. Schlossberg or his contributions to hostage negotiation.
- Dr. Harvey Schlossberg’s Wikipedia
- John and Al Sporting Goods Incident
- Information or a report on the 1973 Brooklyn hostage situation that birthed hostage negotiation.
- John and Al Sporting Goods Incident
- “The Psychologist with a Gun” Book
- A link to purchase a signature version of Dr. Schlossberg’s book.
- The Psychologist with a Gun – Amazon
- Hold Your Fire – Documentary
- A link to watch or find more information about the documentary mentioned.
- Hold Your Fire – On IMDB
- St. John’s University
- Link to the psychology or criminal justice sections of St. John’s University, where Dr. Toni collaborates.
- St. John’s University
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The Host of this Program:
Pat Doering
Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248), Pat continues to provide guidance, formal training, and leadership mentoring worldwide.
In 2024, Pat retired from his law enforcement career but remains dedicated to fostering the next generation of Crisis Negotiators. He conducts live, on-site training events and online workshops designed to sharpen the skills of those interested in crisis negotiation.
“My goal is to share the knowledge and experience I’ve gained throughout my career in high-stakes situations. My speeches will help you become a better communicator and listener. I am committed to teaching and training the future of crisis negotiations.”
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The Guest Featured Inside this Program:
Dr. Toni Collarini Schlossberg:
Dr. Antoinette “Toni” Collarini-Schlossberg is a licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology, with extensive experience in criminal justice management. She served for 22 years in Westchester County government, including as Executive Director of the Westchester County Youth Bureau. Dr. Collarini-Schlossberg has also contributed her expertise to television, appearing as a psychologist in the series “Very Scary People.” Turn Passion into Purpose+5Turn Passion into Purpose+5IMDb+5IMDb
Currently, Dr. Collarini-Schlossberg is an Associate Professor and former Chairperson of the Division of Criminal Justice, Legal Studies, and Homeland Security at St. John’s University. She is dedicated to applying de-escalation methods to assist children and training educators in techniques traditionally used in hostage negotiations.
The Producer of this Program:
Mike Wilkerson:
Mike Wilkerson Is the PodFather of St. Louis, and has been hosting, producing, concepting and enhancing podcasts since 2005. As a professional content creator, Mike has been making and documenting every mistake in the Podcasting industry so you won’t have to when you’re ready to begin. With thousands of of hours of business, marketing and life experience behind and in front of the mic and keyboard, he has created a vibrant and always-growing business tapestry via The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.
As a perpetual student, Mike continues to foster interests in Crisis Negotiator Training, Firearms Instruction and helping people to find the next step in their career with an active interest in hunting light bulb moments.
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